Tuesday, August 26, 2008

When is old enough?

Hi everyone.
This is my blog for iwrite on the topic of 'When is old enough?' It relates to my view that here in NZ we have a very complicated system with a variety of ages at which children and teenagers acquire the ability to legally do things. The current situation causes confusion and raises inconsistencies in many cases.

One suggestion I have which I think would make things less confusing, is if these differing ages were more unified, ie. if there were two agreed ages, say 16 and then 18, for teenagers/children to be legally able to do things, instead of the current situation where the ages range from 11 up to 18, with activities carrying responsibilities starting with the legal babysitting age of 14. Other activities to consider include leaving school, learning to drive, buying alcohol, etc. Michael Laws said recently: "You can solo care for a kid at 14, drive at 15, bonk at 16, be tried as an adult at 17 and drink alcohol at 18." (Sunday Star Times, Sunday, 27 July 2008). Consider also the voting age, marriage age (16 with parental consent) and the age at which a child can travel on a child's airfare (usually up to and including 11 years old). There is also the age at which a child can look after another child on an aircraft (15 years – compared with 14 years for babysitting on land) – this was the situation that prompted Mr Laws’ comment above.

Addressing these issues in the order in which they are hyperlinked above, commencing with the issue of leaving school: The Western Australian Parliament raised the school leaving age there in November 2005 from 16 to 17 years. If a student in Western Australia wishes to leave before they turn 17, they must enter an approved pathway, eg. an apprenticeship or full-time employment, or a combination of part-time work and study. The New Zealand Government has recently proposed similar changes. This proposal links with research that suggests the longer a student stays at school, the better the long-term prospects. An approved pathway into apprenticeships or other forms of training is a necessary option for students who require it before turning 17. They should be encouraged to go into other forms of training because struggling or unwilling students are recognized as more likely to be disruptive in class.

Driving: The age for obtaining a driver licence in New Zealand is young by international comparison. The age in Australia is 17 for most States except Victoria which is 18 and South Australia which is 16. South Africa, Japan, Malaysia, China, Germany, France, the Netherlands and Scandinavia have a driving age of 18. A person can apply for a Learner Licence in NZ when they turn 15, followed by a Restricted Licence six months later which allows them to solo drive. There are restrictions on the driving experience of passengers permitted to be carried by a Restricted Licence holder. A 15 ½ year old can therefore have full, solo, charge of a vehicle. Whilst accepting that many 15 year olds appear sensible, this is a very young age for an activity carrying such a lot of responsibility. There appears to be merit in the graduated licensing system operating in NZ. Research conducted in the United States reveals that teenagers are more likely to engage in risky behavior when with groups of their peers. The research into brain immaturity suggests that the region of the brain that inhibits risky behavior is not fully formed until age 25.

Criminal liability is another issue with concerns that are age related. It appears from recent media coverage that the age in which young people are committing serious crimes is getting lower. When doing my research I looked at the situation in Australia. Australian statistics revealed the extent to which 8 - 10 year old children are causing problems over there for serious crimes. Police logged 7,724 offences by under 8 - 10 year olds between 1 January 2005 and 30 September 2007. There are people in NZ advocating for a lower age of criminal responsibility for young people, which would enable police to charge them for serious crimes at a younger age. This is a contentious topic.

Alcohol consumption by young people is another issue. As the law currently stands, a person must be 18 before they can buy alcohol. Many younger ones however, reportedly have no difficulty getting hold alcohol. Recent media coverage has highlighted the extent of binge drinking for teens, which is concerning. As well as the dangers to the teens themselves, the costs to the taxpayer from the repercussions of excessive teenage drinking need to be considered. These include accidents: facial injuries alone, caused by young men getting into fights when drunk, are costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars a year in New Zealand.

Marriage law in NZ allows a person aged 16 or 17 to marry providing they have consent of parents or guardians. Once they turn 18 they do no require this consent.

Air travel: Airlines generally charge a child at an adult rate from age 11 upwards. This appears fairly consistent among airlines checked. It is difficult to know how they assess this age as being ‘adult’. Also, as noted, the age required to supervise another child on an aircraft is 15. (14 for land babysitting.)

To summarize, as it can be seen above, the current situation is complex. When is a child no longer a child? 16 seems quite a good age as a first milestone – driving, sex and leaving school to go into training. A change in the age for this first milestone would affect the age for children's air travel, babysitting and driving: Many parents would love their children to be able to travel on a child's fare up to age 16 and would also appreciate another year before their kids get behind the wheel of a vehicle; some 14 year olds can handle babysitting responsibilities well, while for others their skills would be questionable. If this babysitting age was increased it could cause hardship to some families though. The second milestone of the age of 18 for things like buying alcohol, and voting, as is currently the situation, should remain, recognizing however that some people consider the age for purchasing alcohol should be increased to 20 - but I think given the legal responsibilities that go with this age, it seems difficult to qualify why an 18 year old should not be able to buy alcohol. I would also suggest that 18 appears plenty young enough to marry and 16 seems incredibly young in this era. There are people who say there are too many rules and parents should have more say in what they permit their kids to do. A complex issue!

13 comments:

Frank said...

GReat to see you are tackling this subject

Frank said...

Are you going to tackle marriage?
Good to see the linking just make sure it clear link. You have one under the word alcohol. You would expect to see an article on alcohol - perhaps you should link a slightly longer phrase

renabrab said...

Thankyou Frank. I have made the changes you suggested.

hayden said...

Hi there
I really like the topic you have chosen, as it is a commonly debated one (drinking ages etc) and something that i would be interested in commenting on.
Just to start of I think that the idea of having one or two ages at which teenagers or "young adults" (as there forth coming responsibilities imply) are legally able to do things is an excellent idea.
I work in a Video store, the reason i say this is that the age restrictions on movies correlate well with the ages you have suggested teenagers be able to do certain things. An example that this link already exists is, you are able to be deployed into combat (in the army) at age 18, at which point it is likely that you will see things of a very graphic and violent nature, to watch a movie that is excessively violent ( an R18 movie) you have to be 18, the same can be said for having sex and R16 movies.

The same cannot be said for everything but i think that this link that already exists is something that could be used to build on should any actual change come in the future.

Frank said...

This is my comment

Melissa said...

Hi anne!this is a great issue. i remember you telling me you were going to do this issue a few weeks back in class. I'm glad you did because i've learnt alot of things just by reading your blog, that i did not know before. I agree with you about having two unified ages in which teenagers would be alowed to do certain things.I definetly think that this should be the rule for drivers liscence. Rather than each stage be open after a certain amount of time.There should be age limits.Learners at 16, restricted at 18.You have very good writing skills aswell, your blog was very easy for me to read and understand.Hope you write a little bit more on this issue, look forward to reading it.

ThomasRose said...

This is a very interseting topic. I have always questioned at what age do we really become responsibe for our pwn action. Myself only just turning 18 really feel no less liberated then i did at 17? one point i'd like to make is the drinking age. Although it is 18, kids as young as 15 easily get there hands on it. It may only be 3 years different however a 15 year old is in no way mature eonuigh to handle it. If the governement were to raise the drinking age to 19, 20 or 21 as it is in the states, 18 year old may be sneaking in a few however they are physically and mentally mature enough to handle it. Juts my opinion.
Great topic!

renabrab said...

Hi Frank, Hayden, Melissa and Tommyrocks

Thanks for your responses. I had not considered the age for entry to the armed forces or video/movie hire etc, so thanks Hayden for pointing that out. I agree with Hayden and Tommyrocks comments about responsibility. I think that is a key word and we hear a lot about rights but not so much about the accompanying responsibilities.

I think there will always be controversy over the drinking age of 18, given that younger ones easily obtain it. I just feel it seems a bit inconsistent to say an 18 year old can vote, marry without parental consent, etc, yet not buy alcohol.

bushi said...

Great topic

My mind is racing and I cant type fast enough, I totally agree with you that we are all over the place with the age of which gives us certain rights.

I am glad to say that I have the answer, yes thats right I have the answer. We need to bring back compulsory military service, And I can just here you agreeing with me. I think they are to fat to lazy
and have no respect or discipline,I totally agree about the approved pathway system there needs to be something for them to learn and up skill themselves.

I think this country is to soft and to PC, we need to harden up and stop trying to please everyone.
we really don't even need to go past the drinking and driving incidents amongst young people to see we are in a mess.
I know there are responsible young adults out there but there are some very stupid ones and to be fare some of them are supposed to be adults. It should be compulsory insurance as well like Australia for buying cars so that everyone is protected. I think its unfair they are tried as an adult but cant even buy a drink, let alone I'm sure this government would and has sent them of to war earlier than that.
Does the airlines serve alcohol to 12 yr olds who they consider and charge them as adults.
I think the age for marriage is to young.

bengman said...

Simple yet effective topic renabrab!

I can see many debates brewing for this blog.

I don't know if I agree on your idea of having the 2 ages (16 and 18) on which can unlock all these gloriously exciting and eye opening activities.

They've (whoever decides) obviously done some research to decide on these ages so they must have a decent idea as to what is the best for teens.

But then again I think more attention should be put forward to things like driving and alcohol which can be exploited by youngens to a degree to cause harm.

Working at a bottle shop myself, I say many fresh 18ers with the sweat on the brow buying their first booze and half the time they don't even look like they should be watching R16 movies.

I really guess there isn't too much more that can be done about it apart from following some good hard statistics, which is most likely going to favour bumping the ages up.

renabrab said...

Wow - go Bushi!
I'm glad I get your tick for approved pathways and marriage. I agree with you completely about compulsory 3rd party car insurance. I'm not too sure about compulsory military training however, although there would be plenty who would benefit, I don't think it's for everyone - I know I would have hated it!
Thanks for your reply.

Hi Bengman
Thanks for your response. I like your use of the words 'gloriously exciting and eye opening activities'. I agree there must have been research conducted previously in order for these age restrictions to have been implemented but I believe there still exist inconsistencies when all activities are viewed in aggregate.

Z!L@n said...

hi everyone,

i think this is really good topic to read. it teaches you a lot. i did know some of these age thing before and some not but i am totally agree with you all i think the responsibility age should be more than what it is now. for example mariage age is 16 is i think not normal because nowadays youth is too free and they want to do whatever they want to and specially when the rules are allowing them to do they donot hesitate from anything..16 is age where people really want all of those excitement and so on when they feel they are in love they think this is good person to marry and after all they might regret but they may have child already and i donot think they could handle marriage on their 16s.

another example which some of you said something about army..yes in my country which is in Turkey all the man must go army when they are 18. Turkey is kind of in a war stituation and i dont think 18 year old boy could handle all those gun shot or other things what they have to do in army.

I also think these age rule should be change in the future is well hope it will.

Clara L said...

Hi

This topic is a great and interesting. I really enjoyed to read and it showed me what you are trying to say. I am totally agree with your opinions, especially about age of obtaining driver licence in New Zealand should be changed. As you said a person who becomes 15 is able to apply for a Learner licence. This age doesn't seems have an ability to handle of all responsibilities followed when they drive a car.